A space for conversations in a time of global disruption
Wow, I just noticed Eileen was mad enough to remove all her comments. Oh well. I guess the unciv forum does not provide fertile ground for techno-fantasies... DUH! :-)
Having nothing better to do, I have run around the web a bit for more info. The picture is far worse than I thought. A blog with people's direct experiences is, for example, here: http://anticultist.wordpress.com/about/the-zeitgeist-movement-the-v...
Turns out, these shenanigans have been going on from the 60's or father back, the whole thing is veiled from the chumps who join, especially financially, a hidden for profit co exists in the shadow of the promoted non-profit (which is controlled by one man anyway, and whose profits mostly go to support his drawings and toy models), and this one man first sold (without saying anything to anyone) the original property supported by payments of the original few fans and bought another where the contract was changed and he was in complete control; he also tried (and failed!) to trademark the term "resource-based economy" -- quite the example of the sharing spirit, eh? Apparently, their next goal, after making yet another movie (this one a hoped for blockbuster) is to build a demonstration city. Riiiiggghttt....
It started with a few young people who wanted to live like cap'n Kirk and his crew. Now they target all those folks who are angry with all the high-level global scamming. Zeitgeist addendum does a great job with the first 2 sections getting at this crowd, and by the time the Venus BS rolls by they are sucked in and cheering... very clever, actually. But for what?
This where it gets more personal. Personally I like to use a spade in my garden rather than a rotovator, a bow saw rather than a chain saw and a sickle rather than a strimmer. Not just because they make less noise, but because I'm using my labour rather than the ghosts of a whole gang of others in the making of the implement. (Well, obviously it's not quite that pure, because I can't make any of those tools myself, but simpler is fewer "ghosts".) Without attempting to big this up, when we're talking about the techno-culture we've arrived at in the west, these choices start to add up to a degree of subversion.
Similarly I suppose, walking or cycling somewhere is also an act of subversion when it replaces a trip by car or plane. Small choices maybe, but en masse they add up.
Victor Garrison said:
i agree with you but for others rephrase your question. is or isn't better is strictly a matter of opinion. you won't be able to prove a point if your sole reference is your's or someone else's opinion.
for me the question is: is technology applied to it's best use?
ask: are tech tools helping to empower people or enslave them? are the rights of the individual protected by technology or is individual's use of technology (facebook for example) a marketing tool to be capitalized on? is technology helping to redistribute wealth more justly or is it creating a greater gulf between the classes?
many people don't really understand, or care, how information is being used and collected and how their use of tech is being exploited.
Another comment re Daniel's initial post.
Seems to me, we are at Peak Good Life. In just 200 years, a tiny blip of time, the industrial revolution has meant that a small portion of the world's population have had an extraordinary opportunity. Liberty to indulge in all kinds of ventures. But that little blip is coming to an end. For a short time, for a privileged few, 'things' have been 'much better'. We have overshot, we have had the party. Next comes the consequences.
There's a very fine scholarly discussion of the history of technology here, with many marvellous insights and philosophical questions to ponder
inquiring into the origins of the industrial revolution.
"This 6-series documentary films address the puzzle of the origins of Industrial Revolution. The central question: why did a scraggy little rainswept island off the coast of mainland Europe become the first major industrial centre, when so many other parts of the world, such as China, with its great history of inventions - looked more promising? The story starts on a single momentous day in Liverpool, a day that shows the best and worst aspects of the Industrial Revolution. We then look back 100 years, then 250, then 500, then 1000, until 10000 years – to the third millennium of the modern era."
THE HEROS THAT I SING
Ned Ludd and Captain Swing,
The Heroes that I sing.
They saw like us at last
The future and the past
Are just a great big con
For profits marching on!
Blimey, I'd never heard of the Venus Project, but the website looks like an ad for a new building development in Dubai.... bizarre... if this is the answer then what the f%$* is the question?!
Kinda funny that all those comments have disappeared, but most of them are still there in Vera and Wolfbird's replies ;-) lol. I'm missing the techno-troll bit though.